How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?

topic posted Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:18 AM by  Expatasapien
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Indeed.

And how can you qualify it?
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Expatasapien
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  • it's just me and you bubbah
    • nice so it's a dead tribe then?
      • has been for some time anyways. how's life in the land of windmills ?
        • pretty nice actually, I can't get over how much better things seem to be in very tiny ways i am sure most people wouldn't notice or care about.
          I have been talking with my gal(she's an actress) about theater (we are writing a sort of stage play together).

          Reading a lot about NLP, hypnosis, and verbal priming also.

          Lucid dreaming like crazy, Made some interesting discoveries about what is possible there.

          Married in 12 days :)

          then off to Paris.

          You?
          • sounds like you're in some kind of heaven realm there. i'm fairly certain a beautiful, young and talented wife won't be tarnishing the realm any time soon. congratulations on the upcoming nuptials and your trip to paris. lucky guy.

            sylvi and i have recently celebrated 13 years together. ours is a marriage redeemed by the third point of shared creative and artistic projects. without this third point, we may not have lasted more than a few years; we are are so very different as personalities. maybe there may be such parallels in your own dyadic future.

            i have also become more fully committed to a particular non-interpretive, somatic dreamwork, something I have been developing for about twenty years that has recently born more ample fruit. i refer to a ritual choreography incorporating kinetic properties -- movements, specifically -- recalled and extracted from dreams that can be accurately repicated on waking. performing this ritual results in, amongst other effects, an amplified awareness of the dreamtime/daytime interface while physically active and fully awake.

            i have posted the context and techniques at:
            www.paratheatrical.com/dreami...es.html
            • Ohhhh...I see...I get it.

              This is very much like an occasion I took about 9 years ago when i dreamed of a tetrahedral fruit. I sculpted it later and the effect was definitely profound.

              I was speaking of Zen Meditation within the what they call an "OBE". I am fairly sure it's another dimension of dream. Every successful experience with this method so far has been beyond profound.

              it would be better for you to test it however, I would appreciate the corroboration too.
              • OBE, out of body experience, as in lucid dreaming ? if so, i know this place; though currently not an interest, i expect to return there some night. many years ago i earned some significant results with lucid dreaming...perhaps too much since my so-called waking life began to pale in comparison and so, i stopped the experiments.

                this current direction exercises a different type of dream recall. it's a dream recall for movements found in dreams which differs from dream recall for images, characters, events, colors, emotion and textures. try remembering a movement from a dream that you can actually replicate accurately upon waking. see what happens if you can do this.


                • I will try it and thank you for recommending it as well.:)

                  Similarly I highly recommend putting the method I suggested to the test.
                  You must be Lucid dreaming first, it must be the grade of lucid dream which is referred to as an OBE or the hyper real variety of lucid dream, electric sensations and all.

                  then sit Zazen and Get busy doing nothing.


                  let me know what your results are, then we'll compare stories on it and see what if anything the two experiences have in common.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    now and zen

                    Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:42 PM
                    I must confess my disinterest in lucid dreaming at this juncture disqualifies me from the experiment. as a longterm zazen sitter, i can appreciate and maybe understand the value of pairing these states together. when that time comes, i will surely be thinking of you or maybe cursing or praising you depending on the results. LOL. as i now recall, this prospect of intimacy with void -- living w/o a self-image -- may have initiated our dialogue from the very start.
                    • Re: now and zen

                      Mon, September 1, 2008 - 3:07 PM
                      Oh That's a shame well maybe later as you say.
                      Still trying to find someone who can corroborate my results.
                      not easy everyone either seems too unfamiliar with meditation or too unfamiliar with Lucid dreaming.
                      • Re: now and zen

                        Mon, September 1, 2008 - 4:05 PM
                        Lucid dreaming is clealry not for everybody. one theory, as to why it's not for everybody, is that the experience taps the energetic body, the dreambody, and not everybody's emotional tank has enough gas to handle that expendature. your tank is probably pretty full these days and with ready access to refueling after jetting around.

                        woooooooossshhhhhhhhh
                        • Re: now and zen

                          Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:18 PM
                          It's interesting that you say that.... I have never personaly experienced any sort of drain, rather the opposite actually. I generally slip into a lucid state straight away from laying in bed rather than later becoming aware I am asleep. I almost always wake up 3-4 hours later totally rested and energized with no more need for sleep at all. Also I almost never have the standard LD but rather persistently launch directly to the so called out of body experience, which is differentiated for me by a sensation of intense electric current in my body, highly increased resolution of experience often clearer than waking life.

                          Though I will admit that I have had a few negative experiences with it, such as the random appearance of extremely evil figments of my apparently extremely twisted imagination...that is always a possibility in my experience if one is just messing around for no good reason. Again though on a positive note once I discovered that there was some implied direction to the state that went away.

                          it's become a nightly fact of my life at this point.
                          Tried checking out a few forums for it online but they were really filled with inept adolescents bent on using their brains like video games.
                          they can most of them hardly differentiate between waking life and dreaming, so that pretty much fell through.
                          • Re: now and zen

                            Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:27 PM
                            there is ONE strange thing to note however on the subject of regular dreams, which I do still have as well. In mine....there are no people.
                            Just me.

                            Sometimes I will meet another me, and when that happens they have something usually very important to tell me, but other than that I don't really dream about other people except on very very rare occasions.
                            I suppose sometimes I dream about Vast naked landscapes, empty cities and walking. Sometimes I am climbing a rock face, and sometimes I find myself on a rocky island which functions as a tomb.


                            that's about it....Oh right and grand pianos...now thats it.
                            • Re: now and zen

                              Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:59 PM
                              ExPat --

                              your rich and active dream life -- being what it is -- has it always been this way or did it shift soon after meeting your future wife and during your time together ? have you noticed any parallel in the timing between meeting her and the course your dreams have taken ? just curious. sometimes we attract individuals into our lives as allies of a kind and some allies carry a greater power of dreaming than others, often without realizing it themselves especially if their disposition is more instinctive.
                              • Re: now and zen

                                Tue, September 2, 2008 - 9:22 AM
                                it has a little I suppose. The environments have become different slightly more grandiose.

                                Is that what you mean?
  • Unsu...
     
    I'd say I qualify as a "metaprogrammer", so far as it means what I think it means:

    - challenging ones tendencies by playing opposite polarities, earning what NLP buffs terms as more "requisite variety" in their behaviors and allowing themselves more choice and "freedom" in their waking lives on a moment to moment basis. Therefore, the entity one recognizes as "themself" doesn't get typecasted into the same old boring roles day after day.

    The theory/model says that on the five preceding circuits there are imprints that most people remain robotically fixed into from their initial imprinting experiences.

    I know I've loosened up my 2nd circuit. I used to be the classic "underdog", and now I can respond much more assertively if need be. I'm currently forcing myself to step further outside some second circuit blockages week by week by making passes at women more.

    My 1st circuit is pretty well balanced; I don't find myself attached to "home" surroundings so much and exercise a lot of "explorer" tendencies.

    My third circuit is pretty open. I'm intelligent enough and am currently getting further into General Semantics in order to redefine and undefine any symbolic fallacies that may exist in my model creations and everyday speech.

    My fourth circuit is a solid heterosexual parent, and over the course of numerous orgies I have challenged it enough to know it's the solid cap to my terrestrial brain; I'm a certified breeder through and through.

    My fifth circuit used to be THC-dependent until about a month ago. I just quit smoking weed and I found that things that are irritating like traffic jams and working on Monday mornings can be neutralized with humor, conscious breathing, or a simple self-assessment. I used to do this anyway, but there was always a thing in the back in my head telling me everything would be all better once I hit the ol' bongaroosky. I don't need marijuana, and I feel much better without it these days. I've been clean as a whistle since August 24, and now I socially drink on the weekends and don't miss it if I don't. I'm currently getting into doing pranayama as well which seems to create a larger distance between point events and the emotional response. For years now I've been able to turn off and/or regulate physical pain very well. I'm setting myself up for a big metaprogramming this week - quitting cigarettes on October 1st and replacing the neurologicval dependency with jogging and the aforementioned pranayama.

    So yes, I'd consider myself a bona fide metaprogrammer. I'm certainly not the master metaprogammer of the universe, but my 6th metaprogramming circuit is in use, again going along with the Leary model that coined these terms.

    I've even had a few 7th circuit experiences, but these came with chemical assistance and so no matter how valid they seemed, I'm more interested in creating them organically with Samadhi, and that's going to take some time in my own case me thinks.
    • Re:Imprint Removal

      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:22 AM
      I have been systematically and recenly abruptly disconnected from at least 4 circuits imprints and sometimes it feels like I am free falling into the "Abyss".though..I'm bettin that I'll encounter one of those alien light stations along the way like in the movie, but I'll still probably need resuscitation before it's over..\
      Consciously witnessing the implant removal process has got me feeling a little weird .
      Synthesis might work better than anal -ysis of the process.
      Isn't one ot the principles of NLP an activity called spaced repetition? It's like: Imagine will, rest, ( repeat), imagine, will , rest.
      Efforting works against flow, in other words, you've planted the seed, now let it grow..
      Emotional involvement is supposed to accelerate the learning process doesn't it?
      I've been resting on my laurels lately and now I'm gettin ready for the software upgrade. Gee, this is exciting, I got to go and put the music on so I can dance now. .

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