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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 11:35 AMit's just me and you bubbah -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:19 PMnice so it's a dead tribe then? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:36 PMhas been for some time anyways. how's life in the land of windmills ? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:13 PMpretty nice actually, I can't get over how much better things seem to be in very tiny ways i am sure most people wouldn't notice or care about.
I have been talking with my gal(she's an actress) about theater (we are writing a sort of stage play together).
Reading a lot about NLP, hypnosis, and verbal priming also.
Lucid dreaming like crazy, Made some interesting discoveries about what is possible there.
Married in 12 days :)
then off to Paris.
You? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:37 PMsounds like you're in some kind of heaven realm there. i'm fairly certain a beautiful, young and talented wife won't be tarnishing the realm any time soon. congratulations on the upcoming nuptials and your trip to paris. lucky guy.
sylvi and i have recently celebrated 13 years together. ours is a marriage redeemed by the third point of shared creative and artistic projects. without this third point, we may not have lasted more than a few years; we are are so very different as personalities. maybe there may be such parallels in your own dyadic future.
i have also become more fully committed to a particular non-interpretive, somatic dreamwork, something I have been developing for about twenty years that has recently born more ample fruit. i refer to a ritual choreography incorporating kinetic properties -- movements, specifically -- recalled and extracted from dreams that can be accurately repicated on waking. performing this ritual results in, amongst other effects, an amplified awareness of the dreamtime/daytime interface while physically active and fully awake.
i have posted the context and techniques at:
www.paratheatrical.com/dreami...es.html
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:59 PMOhhhh...I see...I get it.
This is very much like an occasion I took about 9 years ago when i dreamed of a tetrahedral fruit. I sculpted it later and the effect was definitely profound.
I was speaking of Zen Meditation within the what they call an "OBE". I am fairly sure it's another dimension of dream. Every successful experience with this method so far has been beyond profound.
it would be better for you to test it however, I would appreciate the corroboration too. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:13 PMOBE, out of body experience, as in lucid dreaming ? if so, i know this place; though currently not an interest, i expect to return there some night. many years ago i earned some significant results with lucid dreaming...perhaps too much since my so-called waking life began to pale in comparison and so, i stopped the experiments.
this current direction exercises a different type of dream recall. it's a dream recall for movements found in dreams which differs from dream recall for images, characters, events, colors, emotion and textures. try remembering a movement from a dream that you can actually replicate accurately upon waking. see what happens if you can do this.
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:29 PMI will try it and thank you for recommending it as well.:)
Similarly I highly recommend putting the method I suggested to the test.
You must be Lucid dreaming first, it must be the grade of lucid dream which is referred to as an OBE or the hyper real variety of lucid dream, electric sensations and all.
then sit Zazen and Get busy doing nothing.
let me know what your results are, then we'll compare stories on it and see what if anything the two experiences have in common. -
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now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:42 PMI must confess my disinterest in lucid dreaming at this juncture disqualifies me from the experiment. as a longterm zazen sitter, i can appreciate and maybe understand the value of pairing these states together. when that time comes, i will surely be thinking of you or maybe cursing or praising you depending on the results. LOL. as i now recall, this prospect of intimacy with void -- living w/o a self-image -- may have initiated our dialogue from the very start. -
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Re: now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 3:07 PMOh That's a shame well maybe later as you say.
Still trying to find someone who can corroborate my results.
not easy everyone either seems too unfamiliar with meditation or too unfamiliar with Lucid dreaming. -
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Re: now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 4:05 PMLucid dreaming is clealry not for everybody. one theory, as to why it's not for everybody, is that the experience taps the energetic body, the dreambody, and not everybody's emotional tank has enough gas to handle that expendature. your tank is probably pretty full these days and with ready access to refueling after jetting around.
woooooooossshhhhhhhhh -
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Re: now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:18 PMIt's interesting that you say that.... I have never personaly experienced any sort of drain, rather the opposite actually. I generally slip into a lucid state straight away from laying in bed rather than later becoming aware I am asleep. I almost always wake up 3-4 hours later totally rested and energized with no more need for sleep at all. Also I almost never have the standard LD but rather persistently launch directly to the so called out of body experience, which is differentiated for me by a sensation of intense electric current in my body, highly increased resolution of experience often clearer than waking life.
Though I will admit that I have had a few negative experiences with it, such as the random appearance of extremely evil figments of my apparently extremely twisted imagination...that is always a possibility in my experience if one is just messing around for no good reason. Again though on a positive note once I discovered that there was some implied direction to the state that went away.
it's become a nightly fact of my life at this point.
Tried checking out a few forums for it online but they were really filled with inept adolescents bent on using their brains like video games.
they can most of them hardly differentiate between waking life and dreaming, so that pretty much fell through. -
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Re: now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:27 PMthere is ONE strange thing to note however on the subject of regular dreams, which I do still have as well. In mine....there are no people.
Just me.
Sometimes I will meet another me, and when that happens they have something usually very important to tell me, but other than that I don't really dream about other people except on very very rare occasions.
I suppose sometimes I dream about Vast naked landscapes, empty cities and walking. Sometimes I am climbing a rock face, and sometimes I find myself on a rocky island which functions as a tomb.
that's about it....Oh right and grand pianos...now thats it. -
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Re: now and zen
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:59 PMExPat --
your rich and active dream life -- being what it is -- has it always been this way or did it shift soon after meeting your future wife and during your time together ? have you noticed any parallel in the timing between meeting her and the course your dreams have taken ? just curious. sometimes we attract individuals into our lives as allies of a kind and some allies carry a greater power of dreaming than others, often without realizing it themselves especially if their disposition is more instinctive. -
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Re: now and zen
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 9:22 AMit has a little I suppose. The environments have become different slightly more grandiose.
Is that what you mean?
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 6:28 PMNever mind that.
Look at the flowers. Water the plants. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:19 PMwhat does this even mean? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 8:50 AMMad Hatter: "Pour yourself a glass of wine."
Alice: "I don't see any wine."
Mad Hatter: "There isn't any." -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 9:27 AMIt won't matter how you run...you won't forget. She's still there.
It won't matter how you run.
Does it bother you? Your weakness?
And the alcoholism? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 10:52 AMAren't we all metaprogrammers? Some unconsciously so, while others strive for a conscious re-programming. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 11:26 AMI believe the "conscious" and " deliberate" as well as the "methodological" parts are what differentiates the "real metaprogrammers" from the "not metaprogrammers", in much the same way as playing with 3d modeling programms and having worked with playdough does not make one a sculptor.
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 11:27 AM<<Aren't we all metaprogrammers? Some unconsciously so, while others strive for a conscious re-programming.>>
Depends on how metaprogramming is defined.
If you're going by the motions put forth by Lily, Leary, Wilson, Hyatt, Alli, et al then, no, we're not all metaprogrammers. The consensus amongst this group of thinkers is that metaprogramming is an attribute of the self-aware central nervous system (circuit six) consciously managing its own programs and response mechanisms with and without the use of pharmaceuticals. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 9:36 PMI honestly don't think I can proclaim myself as a Real metaprogrammer. I'm one of your fake ones. Oh, I read all the books. I do the meditations and suggested exercises. The subject really fascinates me. Yet, to say that I become aware of my central nervous system to a degree that allows me to alter its current pattern of responding, I really haven't been blessed. Alan Watts said the mind can't be used to change the mind. So it is not the 'me' of my day to day life that does the metaprogramming, i'm concluding. My awareness must identify with some other non-nervous system in order to objectively observe and re-program the nervous system. I'm guessing my consciousness would identify with the soul or spirit or higher self, a meta-self. But i'm attached to this ego nervous system and don't know how to let go. Trying sure as hell doesn't work. I'm sure pharmaceuticals can knock me for a loop, but that's not my way. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Thu, September 11, 2008 - 10:58 PMI am a REAL alcoholic. No I'm not. Nothing about me is real. I'm just a shell with goo inside. It's good goo, a happy goo. Still, I can't get life insurance. But it's OK because I no longer look forward to being dead. Next question.
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 5:20 PMI'm no more "real" than anything else.
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 12:20 AMI'd say I qualify as a "metaprogrammer", so far as it means what I think it means:
- challenging ones tendencies by playing opposite polarities, earning what NLP buffs terms as more "requisite variety" in their behaviors and allowing themselves more choice and "freedom" in their waking lives on a moment to moment basis. Therefore, the entity one recognizes as "themself" doesn't get typecasted into the same old boring roles day after day.
The theory/model says that on the five preceding circuits there are imprints that most people remain robotically fixed into from their initial imprinting experiences.
I know I've loosened up my 2nd circuit. I used to be the classic "underdog", and now I can respond much more assertively if need be. I'm currently forcing myself to step further outside some second circuit blockages week by week by making passes at women more.
My 1st circuit is pretty well balanced; I don't find myself attached to "home" surroundings so much and exercise a lot of "explorer" tendencies.
My third circuit is pretty open. I'm intelligent enough and am currently getting further into General Semantics in order to redefine and undefine any symbolic fallacies that may exist in my model creations and everyday speech.
My fourth circuit is a solid heterosexual parent, and over the course of numerous orgies I have challenged it enough to know it's the solid cap to my terrestrial brain; I'm a certified breeder through and through.
My fifth circuit used to be THC-dependent until about a month ago. I just quit smoking weed and I found that things that are irritating like traffic jams and working on Monday mornings can be neutralized with humor, conscious breathing, or a simple self-assessment. I used to do this anyway, but there was always a thing in the back in my head telling me everything would be all better once I hit the ol' bongaroosky. I don't need marijuana, and I feel much better without it these days. I've been clean as a whistle since August 24, and now I socially drink on the weekends and don't miss it if I don't. I'm currently getting into doing pranayama as well which seems to create a larger distance between point events and the emotional response. For years now I've been able to turn off and/or regulate physical pain very well. I'm setting myself up for a big metaprogramming this week - quitting cigarettes on October 1st and replacing the neurologicval dependency with jogging and the aforementioned pranayama.
So yes, I'd consider myself a bona fide metaprogrammer. I'm certainly not the master metaprogammer of the universe, but my 6th metaprogramming circuit is in use, again going along with the Leary model that coined these terms.
I've even had a few 7th circuit experiences, but these came with chemical assistance and so no matter how valid they seemed, I'm more interested in creating them organically with Samadhi, and that's going to take some time in my own case me thinks. -
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Re:Imprint Removal
Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:22 AMI have been systematically and recenly abruptly disconnected from at least 4 circuits imprints and sometimes it feels like I am free falling into the "Abyss".though..I'm bettin that I'll encounter one of those alien light stations along the way like in the movie, but I'll still probably need resuscitation before it's over..\
Consciously witnessing the implant removal process has got me feeling a little weird .
Synthesis might work better than anal -ysis of the process.
Isn't one ot the principles of NLP an activity called spaced repetition? It's like: Imagine will, rest, ( repeat), imagine, will , rest.
Efforting works against flow, in other words, you've planted the seed, now let it grow..
Emotional involvement is supposed to accelerate the learning process doesn't it?
I've been resting on my laurels lately and now I'm gettin ready for the software upgrade. Gee, this is exciting, I got to go and put the music on so I can dance now. .
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:19 PM
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 12:22 PMI am a FAKE metaprogrammer. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 5:22 PMHow is that any different than being a real one, since it's your reality or, you're either gettin my trip or I/m gettin yours. Your Fake is just your or my projection that is experienced? I'm glad I don't take any of this too seriously. hee, hee , just the same, you're just too cute to be an air head.(poof!) See, you're still there.
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 5:32 PMFake or real, what difference does it make? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:38 PMIt makes a difference; proof is in the pudding. The main difference between "fake" and "real" can be seen in the results of whatever experiment has been conducuted. Though not every experiement is a success, fake results vs. real results are pretty easy to determine once the smoke clears and the mirrors are put away. -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 7:59 PM> proof is in the pudding
Waiting to be found like a threepenny bit? -
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Re: How many REAL metaprogrammers are actualy on this tribe?
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 3:53 AM2nd and 3rd circuit relapse. I ate the pudding and now the proof is being synthesized. The smoke hasn't cleared yet and now the mirrors are givin me hell, especially the side mirrors, they keep telling me that objects in mirror are closer than they appear!! Yikes!!!! .
Time to dedroidify.
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